Oct 25, 2009 -- 3:22PM, TwiGGy wrote:

Many people have died in boxing matches, you can't say that those who killed their opponents were evil, it's just the nature of the sport. (...) Dying is just a risk you take when you decide to fight.

Well I don't think most boxers get in the ring with the intention of actually killing their opponent. If someone dies it's very unfortunate, but (likely) not an intentional thing. That makes all the difference. They're not signing up for fight to the death, and if people died in boxing all the time, it would be like an "evil" thing 

Oct 25, 2009 -- 3:22PM, TwiGGy wrote:

It's not exactly Akuma's intention to kill, but to be victorious & better himself.

I'm sure Ryu's that way too though, and he doesn't fight to kill. When it comes to the desire to win and be strongers, Ryu would probably be the first to agree that there's a line that's crossed when there's a "murderous intent".

Oct 25, 2009 -- 10:03PM, d3v wrote:

He didn't even attack the submarine, it was just collateral damage from Akuma testing his move. I doubt he was even aware that it was there.

Well, that's a possiblity, but it's kinda conjecture isn't it? And the question is, if he DID know the sub was there, would he have done anything different?

Oct 26, 2009 -- 2:10AM, d3v wrote:

It all depends on the value system, if you apply something similar to the old samurai value system where death is an accepted part of battle then there is nothing wrong with what he is doing.

I don't think this debunks the "boxer" argument. In a situation of war or when one's life is threatened, one of the opponents may die as an issue of self-defense, not because one is seeking to "become stronger". If you're willing to kill your opponent for the sake of your own victory or for self-improvement, you're crossing the line. Human life can't be less important than those 2 things.

I always thought the "He is really neither good or bad" thing as quick and temporary thing. But the way I feel about it is that its official hes not evil. I can see it both ways. And it depends on what you consider evil.

If you consider trying to fight the best and doing what it takes to win, as not evil just determined and hardcore then thats what he is. If you consider intentionally killing your brother evil, then that is what he is to you.

In the end we all kind of have that idea of what his personality is like, he's no nice happy guy. I try not to get too involved with the two ideas about him anymore. But I admit it was a real eye opener to think about it both ways the first time I saw it come up.

someone told me that akuma dies is that true??