| 7 months ago :: May 18, 2009 - 9:54AM #1 | |
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Hi guys. So Im a little confused because of something regarding that MMZ series. Hope someone know the answer.
The thing is...Omega is the reploid tha thas Zero's original body, but is it just the body?? I mean Omega itself is something different or its actually the "true Zero", I mean the Zero originaly created by Wily??
Plus, I dont remember well thats why Im confused. Why Zero has a fake body? it was destroyed during the end of the maverick wars right?? then X created Neo-arcadia, the reconstruction of Zero body is beggining, Weil stole Zero's body so a fake is made and the Elf-Wras started in hands of Weil, the Dark-Elf and Omega. The thing is, if Omega has the Zero's original body, is the the "truw Zero"???????
Also, theres no info about how Zero lost his body rigth??? so...maybe X and Zero did really figth after all?...I mean what if in X9 Zero and X figth each other, ans the fight both destroyes X and Zero's body, si Zero's body in CM is the fake one, this can also explain the X's body in CM.....just a fan theory.....so what do you guys think??????? |
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| 7 months ago :: May 18, 2009 - 11:15AM #2 | |
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Calm down there, homie. What happened was; at the end of the Maverick Wars Zero put himself in supended animation. At some point, Dr. Weil finds Zero's body and takes out Zero's Ai or mind, soul, whatever and replaces it with Omega's Ai so he can control him. He creates another body and puts Zero in that one. And that is the body they find in the first MMZ. At least that is what I remember. I may be a tad off, but I think that's correct. If not, someone please inform me. |
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| 7 months ago :: May 18, 2009 - 1:08PM #3 | |
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That sounds right. If not, Zechs, surely would know.
Fire burns Earth......Fire is fanned by Wind.....Fire evaporates Water.....Fire is freaking awesome!
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| 7 months ago :: May 18, 2009 - 5:44PM #4 | |
Zero was created to destroy Light's legacy: X. Wily knew that he had to have a method to influence or rather manipulate Zero to keep true to his task. This was the Virus. This Virus keeps Zero as his True Self. But after the Fight between Zero and Sigma, that Virus left to Sigma to take up where Zero was defeated. However, that Virus lives on throughout the entire X series. And Zero knows that after his reinfection in X5, his body has been spreading said Virus to trigger Mavericks wherever he goes. Thus he chooses to seal himself up. His body is sealed, and his consciousness is put into Hyper Sleep. So his body can be studied.
At some point, Sleeping Zero's consciousness was ported to an exact body replica to separate the Zero mind and the True Zero mind. Hunter Zero and Maverick Zero if you will. Maverick Zero being more prime to instinct and destruction, as per what Wily wanted. But Weil came into the picture, and kept the 2 separate. And remodeled the Original Zero body and mind to obey Weil, and tying together Original Body Zero and the Mother Elf. Since deep down, they are tied because of the Virus. This remodel causes the Original Body to absorb power from Mother Elf (cursed into Dark Elf, thus another topic), and thus is why Omega is very difficult to fight. ultimately, that is the 'God of Destruction'.
Zero's body did not get destroyed. He sealed himself up to purge his body of the Virus. During his sealment, X went on to fight the Maverick Wars. Nearly 100 years fighting alone. During the End, Mother Elf was conceived, and X unleashed her to end the Maverick Wars. After this point, Weil stole Original Zero's body, and left Copy Zero to time's demise. Also note, after Omega's insurrection, Zero was awakened to help X fight Omega. Leading to Omega's Banishment from Earth, and Weil's punishment. Zero learned of his body, but fought anyway. After the conflict, Zero went back into slumber.
There is no info, cause they already fought. It never stated they must destroy each other. And in X3, that was a mistranslation. Zero in CM is the Original. Same with X. Those were only subject to an artistic change. Nothing else. Zero gets his Copy Body during his Sealment. it was to separate the consciousness from that of the Virus influence. That way they can study the Virus without holding back. Thus Weil comes into the picture as a Reploid Researcher. Thus Weil is tempted by the power the 2 Zero's possess. Weil takes control of Original Zero...
"Created from past life to preform illicit function. I fail this conscious madness... I: Man/Machine, imperfection."
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| 2 months ago :: Sep 28, 2009 - 7:43AM #5 | |
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O.O oohhhhh cool thnx zechs! |
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| 2 months ago :: Sep 28, 2009 - 10:40AM #6 | |
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Um...dead thread is dead...
Fire burns Earth......Fire is fanned by Wind.....Fire evaporates Water.....Fire is freaking awesome!
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| 2 months ago :: Sep 29, 2009 - 3:17AM #7 | |
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Well since its now, Un dead, Im gonna pour some sense here.
Zechs, I have NO idea what your talking about, with that "separation of Hunter and true Zero".
Zero sealed himself some ime after Sigma's ultimate defeat, yes? Because it would technically be incorrect to state it as after the Maverick wars, as the Elf wars actually happened near the end of them.
Zero sealed himself to have his viral connection studied and somehow removed. this was the scene that appeared in X6, foreshadowing the future.
Time passed, and his body was studied, and his insides were as well. At some point, his conciosness was removed from his body and stored elsewhere, for whatever reason. Most likely to avoid damage during experimentation of his body. But thats just assumption. Mother Elf was developed from the Sigma Virus within Zero's systems.She was created by, or in part by, a female ancestor of Ciel's.
Weil however, had a different idea, and he instead thought it better to outright destroy anyone who would start petty wars. to this end, he asked the government for permission to use Zero's virally immune body in his quest to create the ultimate reploid capable of defending Neo Arcadia and destroying mavericks. The government approved him, and he created Omega. Weil then backstabbed the Govt, cursing Dark Elf with the traces of Virus within her, and turned Omega against them as well. He also massproduced baby copies of the twisted Mother Elf, dubbed Dark Elf, named "Baby elves", which he then used to manipulate and control reploids. Thus sparking the Elf Wars. X fought and fought, and so it was decided to ressurect Zero to aid X. To this end, a new body was built for him, identical, if not better, than his previous. (Some time during the wars, X and Zero were finally fully deciphered, so an exact duplicate of Zero's body was possible)
Zero in his new body, aided X in the fighting, and Zero, after capturing her, Commanded Dark Elf to make all the reploids turn against Weil. Weil was at aloss, and X and Zero confronted Omega, and defeated him with a Final Strike, just as in the Drama track.
After this, Omega was legally tried and convicted, and ejected into space, though its not clear why they didnt dismantle him outright. X was probably just sick of death. Weil himself however, fared worse off. he was captured by the humans, and they decided the ultimate punishment for him would be eternity in the wasted world he created. They illegally tranferred his mind into program data and stuck him into his rejuvinating armor, and threw him out of Neo Arcadia to wander for all eternity, unable to die. He was already an old man near death, so he basically was constantly revived by his armor if he died. A fate worse than death. Zero, saw that once again, he himself was at the root of yet another conflict, since Omega was using his own body, and Zero saw in Omega what he himself knew that he was originally made to be. So, he decided to remove himself from the world, and sealed himself up for eternity. as per the Drama track, once again.
Later, (not sure how much later,) X himself sealed himself in Yggdrassill to contain the Dark Elf with his body as the seal. (the way I see it, Dark Elf was split in two, much like the Biometals in ZX. part within X himself, and part within the giant containment sphere behind his capsule.
the Libray is sunk underwater, and all traces of Weil's treacherous sin are hidden and erased, so that histoy may never know of Human Weils horrendous crime. which wiped out so many Reploids and Humans.
Then, in Z3, Weil returns to Neo Arcadia and revives Copy X, thus abusing of Copy X's naiveness, making Copy X owe him a serious favor. so Copy X revokes Weil's exile since he was illegally punished in the first place, and brings Omega back, since Weil played him like a fool, swearing that he had learned his lesson and would never do anything like that again, like he says in the game itself.
Anyway, this time, Omega merges with Dark Elf, which in the Elf wars, he never got to do. leading to his Golden powerup, and Fusion Omega. (As well no doubt as some of the power he has in his true form)
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| 2 months ago :: Sep 29, 2009 - 3:54AM #8 | |
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Just want to clarify:
The 'Seperation' between Hunter Zero and True Zero was the analogy of the Awakened Zero and Non-Awakened Zero. With their behavior differing (ovbiously for objectives and such), it was easier to express it as 'one then the other' which applies as an analogy. Be it the same under different circumstances. Plus, it does support the fact of Zero in the Replica Body, and the Consciousness left over. Analogy deep and thick.
Just like the 'debate' of a being with clear memories and recognizable experiences, and the same who underwent serious alzeimers. It is the same being, as in Body. Is it the same as in mind? With those key elements vanished, would he still behave the same as before? No. <--> Analogy Basis.
Well since it is basically Sigma = Maverick Wars, the statement rings true. Technically speaking however it is the Sigma Virus, this is true. Though with the Rampant Virus the War splits into battles. Not a prolonged war with a Master-Mind enemy, as an actual War is. Be it a Single being, a single Nation Counsil or etc. So there would obviously be a time of peace at some point to grant after the Sealing of the Dark Elf. It gave Weil the time and leasure to trigger his aspects to start the Elf War. It is a seperate War, even if it 'ties' into the Maverick War. Sigma = Maverick. Weil = Elf.
Ciels Ancestor and Weil. Weil was a key Scientist after Zero's sealing. And was one of the reasons Weil knew so much about him to 'create' Omega. Weil was one of the Scientists workign with Sealed Zero up till Weil's insurrection.
"Created from past life to preform illicit function. I fail this conscious madness... I: Man/Machine, imperfection."
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