Oops! didnt  notice that there. Fixed. >_<;

Albert and Thomas I couldnt say. Thomas probably. Albert, is debatable. Some say he himself is under Model W's influence.

the Megamen, I say with certainy that theya re no brainwashed. plus, there is really nothing to indicate they are. The reason they have red eyes is because, (aside from showing they are bad guys,) is because they recieved the power to supress their biometal.  Theres no reason to brainwash them when yoy can hand them power and let them act on their own twisted desires.

Oct 16, 2009 -- 6:23PM, sanjiv wrote:

You make the Chosen 4 sound even worse than Serpent, Albert, AND Thomas.  Awesome.  If they're that evil, you think they could rise to the level of Arch-villains? 4 good Megamen vs 4 Bad?  That could be kind of cool.

Perhaps we could eventually play as Prometheus and Pandora, and fight the other 8+ Megamen as bosses.  Not only will players get to chose  a male or female character, but they could also chose to walk a path of good, a path of evil, or perhaps walk somewhere in between.  It's about time, I say.

My intention was not to make them sound as evil as the 2 main vilalins, vut to show that they arent good guys either. they fall somewhere in the category of bad guys since they are collecting Model W's, and really dont care bout casualties. in fact, for the most part, in cases, witsh to cause them. Aeolus wants to get rid of those he considers fools, Thetis wants to make civilization pay dearly for polluting the water, and Atlas wants to create a battle that never ends. I reall cant count for Siarnaq. does he ever mention his goal? He most likely agrees with Aeolus, since the two seemingly hang out together just fine, whereas Aeolus doesnt seem to like the other Megamen.

Also, It really remains to be seen what became of PnP... Albert collected their DNA that rose when you beat them. and while its possible that it was solely utilized for his attacks as Ultimate Megaman, I think that it might have more significance.

The four Guardians were never psychotic. They were just doing what they thought was right/their duty. I never saw them as psychotics.

EDIT: And they're similair to the 4 Guardians because they ARE the 4 Guardians.

[EDIT: Hey, shouldn't this be a new thread? I think I created the last three in ZX, so someone else have a go]

Jose, dude, a little credit please. 
Chosen 4 = Aeolus, Thetis, etc. 
4 Guardians = Harpuria, Leviathan, etc.
They're similar for reasons Flame stated, and THEY'RE NOT the same.  Quit using CAPs without a license.

Flame, I agree with you in large part, but I think you're viewing the Guardians as more noble than they really were, and viewing the Chosen ones (the 4 bad megamen) as worse than they were.

On The Guardians:  Later in the Zero series, it was portrayed that the Guardians, although still performing their duties, had lost interest in the empty shell-of-a-world that was NeoArcadia, and only felt alive when they were fighting Zero, who they admired and respected.  Although they may have become "saints" over years reflection, they were initially soldiers without dreams or missions of their own, and that clearly took an unhealthy toll on their psyches.  Examples of unhealthy relationships: Harpuria saw Zero as part of his intellectual and moral elite; Fefnir saw Zero as a special sparring buddy, to engage in his war that never ends; Leviathan saw Zero as a special playmate, one she could connect with; and Phantom...uh?? If we take his appearance in Zero3 as cannon, then perhaps they both shared a severity and an obsession for dieing for something greater than one's self (yeah, that sounds good).--I suppose Sirnaq was a perversion of this since he was fighting for absolutely nothing at all.  Then again, I think Phantom's sacrifice was a waste too.

In any case, it's clear that the Guardians enjoyed fighting with Zero more than most other things, and perhaps only protected humans because it was the "right and moral thing to do."  Did they really believe that?  Did they have any real empathy with human beings, or simply followed their leader Copy X?  And if they did have real empathy for human beings, why not be lead and inspired by a real human being?  Notice how Zero was different from this, in that his combat was a direct response to his need to protect persons he actually knew.

But yes, after CopyX was defeated, the Guardians did show signs of moral authority.  Then again,
-they continued to hunt down reploids instead of working with Ciel,
-chucked a bomb at the resistance base,
-and didn't show leadership so much as continue to do what they had always done.

What if each of the guardians were given the opportunity to shape part of the world?  Exactly how different would their views have been from the 4 CHosen ones?   I know they'd probably be different, but how much so?

Back to an earlier topic: Perhaps the Big 4 biometals are so easy to control because they were always followers--that's just part of their personalities....(pansies)

Hmmm how does a thread about Albert's plan turns to a topic about the 6 Chosen Ones and etc and turn go back on topic,but goes off topic in post?

Well since I'm already here I might as well post something.I read this entire thread sheet since my school is closed for tiday and tomorrow and I got something to say.

I dont think the 4 Chosen Ones act on their own will nor were they being control my Model W.I come to think that they were being manipulated by Model W based on their emotions.Model W must of took controlled of their emotions and caused them to commit those evil acts.Like in Rosparks stage that raider was being manipulated by his own fear cuz of Model W that soon Model W consumed it.Model W doesnt only feed of fear and anguish,but also incease too has soon it becomes to great that Model W senses and devours it along with their soul.

Like what happened to Serpent,he was a hard worker and gentle man before they discovered Model W and it made him insane.He must of have little issues that dealt with the world until Model W made it greater and made him insane,but his insanity was far great to match the power of Model W and he became its Biomatch cuz he overcome it with his power,but he became completely insane and evil in the process and his ideals and views of the world turns into controlling the world by becoming the MegaMan King all because of Model W.The must of happened to P&P too due to their hatred of Albert and the world they plan to betray Albert and destroy the world themselves all due their connection to Model W.The same to the 4 Chosen Ones since they all had problems Model W made it great til they became totally evil and since P&P were the ones who stole the Biometals they must of exposed to the power of Model W in the first place.

Havent you noticed that all the MegaMen have red glowing eyes except Grey/Ashe,Aile/Vent,and Giro.It is due that they have been brain washed by Model W and filled with hate for humanity.Like Aeolus hated war and blamed people who causes wars as fools,so Model W convinced him to destroy the fools who make the world a bad place and soon it made him wanted to annihilate most of the world's population.Also,Thetis hated people who polluted the sea,but he didnt intend on killing them all just trying to stop them was probably all that was in his mind but Model W made him wanted to kill all those people.Atlas whose people and nation were wiped out by Mavericks wanted to show others how it felt to lose everything and her philosophies but Model W made her think the best way to do so is cause an international ever-lasting war to show others her pain.Finally,Siarnaq was betrayed and left for dead for people who he thought were his friends so I can see how he easy Model W manipulated his emotions so his revenge for those who betrayed him turns into hatred and revenge upon all humanity and made him like Solo from StarForce,but he only trusts Aeolus cuz they share a common goal.P&P had a crappy life so they blame humanity for it and wanted to end all of existence even their own cuz of Model W.See they're arent totally evil like Sigma and Weil they were just overcome by their emotions like almost all BN and SF villians and contact with Model W made them more evil and commit evil acts.I think Albert planned this by making P&P carry the Biometals to the Chosen Ones.So they were being used by Albert and Model W even Serpent,Promethius,and Pandora.I bet Albert expected P&P to betray him and involved it in his plan.Man that guy thinks ahead and by ahead I mean way ahead.

Also all of the Biomatches and MegaMen have problems except Giro cuz he worked with the Guardians.All of the Biometals were like made to have people who have issues as Biomatches except Model Z.Was that part of Albert's plan,but Ceil must of made Model Z to counter his plan or something.