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General Forums Mega Man® ZX What exactly is Albert's plan?
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What exactly is Albert's plan?
2 months ago  ::  Sep 25, 2009 - 10:41PM #1
sanjiv
Posts: 114

I'm not exactly sure what Albert's plan is.


I'm not sure what inspired him.


I'm not sure what he's already done.


He got beat, but his biometals are still around, and he's named after Weily, Megaman's universal nemesis.  You know he's central to the story.


I agree with Prometheus:  All this fighting is pointless...Or is it?

2 months ago  ::  Sep 25, 2009 - 11:01PM #2
Scuttlest
Posts: 13799

Like a lot of the recent villians, Albert's plan is to create a "new world".


Specifically he desires godhood, although in a more metaphorical then literal sense.


Albert looks at his plans and methods as being in the best interests of the world, if my memory serves me well he wishes to create a world with no violence or wars or something like that, it's his idea of "progress", although his methods to achieve it seem to involve mass slaughter and the death of anyone who doesn't agree with that philosophy.


By killing those who cause the wars he considers himself to "bring new life into the world".

She sells sea shells by the sea shore. However a tidal wave's coming so she won't be doing that too much longer.

How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood? None, he's a lazy b***h.
2 months ago  ::  Sep 25, 2009 - 11:13PM #3
Zechs
Posts: 2744

Basically, what Scuts said. Though as Typical Villains, he wished for the New World to be one of his Making. His New World. Which would make it an arrogant approach to justify such Genocide.

"Created from past life to preform illicit function. I fail this conscious madness... I: Man/Machine, imperfection."
2 months ago  ::  Sep 25, 2009 - 11:45PM #4
Scuttlest
Posts: 13799

While the MM series hasn't really had a villian like Albert before, he's more or less a generic god complex and/or messiah complex villian.


Those guys seem to have a knack for being main villians.

She sells sea shells by the sea shore. However a tidal wave's coming so she won't be doing that too much longer.

How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood? None, he's a lazy b***h.
2 months ago  ::  Sep 25, 2009 - 11:49PM #5
Zechs
Posts: 2744

No kidding. He is drunk off of what Weil ended up as. Without Weil, we would at least have had a different "Albert' in the ZX series...

"Created from past life to preform illicit function. I fail this conscious madness... I: Man/Machine, imperfection."
2 months ago  ::  Sep 26, 2009 - 10:37AM #6
sanjiv
Posts: 114

But how early did he start implementing his plan, and what does it have to do with the creation of the biometals, Serpent, etc ?  How do Serpent, Albert, Prometheus and Pandrora, and Ciel fit into the time line?


The Godhood thing makes sense...Albert wanted to


1) create  a God like power, and


2) chose someone capable or worthy of controlling that power--becoming the Megaman king.


But why set up a game of destiny if you planned on winning it all along?  Also, of the Sage Trinity, Albert was the thoughtful and creative one, while Thomas came off more as the warrior king.   There has to be some connection to the idea of 'science playing god' somewhere in this plot.  The game of destiny seems a lot more like Thomas's thing.

2 months ago  ::  Sep 26, 2009 - 2:17PM #7
Scuttlest
Posts: 13799

Sep 26, 2009 -- 10:37AM, sanjiv wrote:


But how early did he start implementing his plan, and what does it have to do with the creation of the biometals, Serpent, etc ?  How do Serpent, Albert, Prometheus and Pandrora, and Ciel fit into the time line?


The Godhood thing makes sense...Albert wanted to


1) create  a God like power, and


2) chose someone capable or worthy of controlling that power--becoming the Megaman king.


But why set up a game of destiny if you planned on winning it all along?  Also, of the Sage Trinity, Albert was the thoughtful and creative one, while Thomas came off more as the warrior king.   There has to be some connection to the idea of 'science playing god' somewhere in this plot.  The game of destiny seems a lot more like Thomas's thing.




(I really oughta replay the games and brush up on the story)

The precise timing of when he started his plan isn't clear, it is implied that he had been working on that plan for "centuries", this could mean as little as 200 years, to much more excessive amounts of time. All we know about the time difference between the Zero and ZX series is that it is "centuries" long, and Albert seems to have started his plan not to terribly long after Ragnarok, so more then 100 years at least.


P&P were createed solely to bring more of Albert's chosen one's into the fight, it appears that the point of this was that if something should happen to Albert, a different chosen one could step up and enforce Albert's plan, although every single chosen one had a philosophy that differed from Albert's in some way, except maybe Aeolus. Furthermore Vent/Aile and Grey/Ashe developed in ways Albert clearly hadn't intended.


Ciel's involvement occured shortly after the discovery of Model W, the timing of this isn't clear, since Guardian and Serpent were both active at this time, I assume that it was still during Ciel's life-span, but Prarie still believes that Ciel could be alive.


Serpent was just another chosen one, although he seems to have an unnatrually enhanced life-span, and among all the chosen ones he had the philosophy closest to Albert's.

She sells sea shells by the sea shore. However a tidal wave's coming so she won't be doing that too much longer.

How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood? None, he's a lazy b***h.
2 months ago  ::  Sep 26, 2009 - 6:23PM #8
Zechs
Posts: 2744

Sep 26, 2009 -- 10:37AM, sanjiv wrote:


But how early did he start implementing his plan, and what does it have to do with the creation of the biometals, Serpent, etc ?  How do Serpent, Albert, Prometheus and Pandrora, and Ciel fit into the time line?




 


To follow with what Scuttlest said, Albert was alive for Ragnarok Incident. Young as a man, and into Reploid technology, he dreamed of a world of his own, inspired by Dr. Weil. Whether they knew eachother is unknown, but obviously Weil was a source of inspiration. And with his 'remains', Albert was able to utilize what was left over for his own plan.


Check my Blog over a theory consisting of that.


 


Sep 26, 2009 -- 10:37AM, sanjiv wrote:


The Godhood thing makes sense...Albert wanted to


1) create  a God like power, and


2) chose someone capable or worthy of controlling that power--becoming the Megaman king.


 




 


He did, though how much he put into it was unknown. Though his plan was rushed due to the rise of the Ciel 6 against him, and ZX's efforts in destroying Model W's.


 


Sep 26, 2009 -- 10:37AM, sanjiv wrote:


But why set up a game of destiny if you planned on winning it all along?  Also, of the Sage Trinity, Albert was the thoughtful and creative one, while Thomas came off more as the warrior king.   There has to be some connection to the idea of 'science playing god' somewhere in this plot.  The game of destiny seems a lot more like Thomas's thing.




 


It was set up that way so Model W could absorb all that anguish. Emotions was the big key for Model W to 'feast' upon. So he needed people to utilize their 'Destiny' and choose their paths all for the sake of keeping their minds pure for Model W to devour eventually.


The connection between Thomas and Albert is they both wanted a New World. Thomas merely desired a different approach than Albert. Instead of destroying everything and using Copies to repopulate the World, he wants something more genuine.


 


And the Game of Destiny is mostly Albert, with Thomas knowing just not stepping in. He wanted to see what Albert would do (this would suggest Albert isn't the know all he came off to be. And when he came off less than planned Thomas hired the agents to oppose him.

"Created from past life to preform illicit function. I fail this conscious madness... I: Man/Machine, imperfection."
2 months ago  ::  Sep 30, 2009 - 9:20PM #9
sanjiv
Posts: 114

That is cool.


But what about the passwords from ZX1?  Someone put the protected door there, and I don't think it was Serpent, since he had to collect the red and blue passwords at the beginning of the game--had he already bested the previous generation of mega men?  Did P&P help in that, or had they come to crown him as the Megaman King?  But Serpent started going crazy when he came into contact with Model W as part of the Guardians.  It had nothing to do with Albert's plans, right?


And what was the point of that locked door anyway?  Did Albert want the Megaman King to die a cruel death fighting Omega? (geez, talk about food for Model W)


After reading your guys' input, it seems that Albert had planted Model Ws all over the country inorder to


1- create mavericks which would cause chaos, create fear, and slowly feed the model Ws until they were ready to surface.  This plan had to be sped up in ZXA, which is why Albert upped the scale of conflict.


2- create the need for a strong, centralized authority like the Sage Trinity.  Serpent may have bypassed them through private enterprise, which made him a parallel curiosity to Albert's plot, though he would have posed no threat to Albert himself.  I'm not entirely sure why Albert needed his position of power though.  I know how he used it, but I don't understand why he sought it.


3- keep them safe from people who would destroy them...Hey, they can be destroyed, can't they?  Do they grow from fear like crystals?  They did look weird and sort of organic, I guess they really were a living machine.   I assume that they're somehow different from the miniature Model Ws that Serpent and Albert carried around.


3b- on second thought, I don't see how Albert would have had the capability of hiding so many model Ws.  he probably only moved some of them, and let the rest stay where they landed when Ragnarok broke in the Zero4.  In the Model H level in ZXA, the model W there was found on an alter, suggesting that there were people who had been worshiping it for quite some time.  These Model W's couldn't independently create black hole anomalies could they?...Although they were known to bring things back to life...


So does any of this sound right? Am I typing what you all are thinking?

2 months ago  ::  Oct 01, 2009 - 3:02AM #10
Zechs
Posts: 2744

Sep 30, 2009 -- 9:20PM, sanjiv wrote:


But what about the passwords from ZX1?  Someone put the protected door there, and I don't think it was Serpent, since he had to collect the red and blue passwords at the beginning of the game--had he already bested the previous generation of mega men?




 


That Password system was set up by Ciel. To keep that Model W Core sealed away. Once one of those chosen MegaMen came together, to destroy that Core, then it would remain sealed until those came together under different circumstances.


 


Sep 30, 2009 -- 9:20PM, sanjiv wrote:


Did P&P help in that, or had they come to crown him as the Megaman King?  But Serpent started going crazy when he came into contact with Model W as part of the Guardians.  It had nothing to do with Albert's plans, right?




 


No. P&P didn't assist the Password Seal. Serpent went Mad because he too was a Chosen One. And backed up by P&P. It all followed Albert's Plan.


 


Sep 30, 2009 -- 9:20PM, sanjiv wrote:


And what was the point of that locked door anyway?  Did Albert want the Megaman King to die a cruel death fighting Omega? (geez, talk about food for Model W)




 


Omega, or Model O was an extra that has no real story significance. But the Door was Ciel. And the whole point for Model W's to be spread out is to absorb anguish and to awaken. And always planned to become the MegaMan King himself. After using his 'Plan' as a ruse to arouse others by the 'Potential' to be King.


 


Sep 30, 2009 -- 9:20PM, sanjiv wrote:


1- create mavericks which would cause chaos, create fear, and slowly feed the model Ws until they were ready to surface.  This plan had to be sped up in ZXA, which is why Albert upped the scale of conflict.




 


Yes.


 


Sep 30, 2009 -- 9:20PM, sanjiv wrote:


2- create the need for a strong, centralized authority like the Sage Trinity.  Serpent may have bypassed them through private enterprise, which made him a parallel curiosity to Albert's plot, though he would have posed no threat to Albert himself.  I'm not entirely sure why Albert needed his position of power though.  I know how he used it, but I don't understand why he sought it.




 


No. Serpent was used by P&P, who were working with Albert. Serpent had the Model W, and lost himself. They supported him because of the anguish he brought the area. Remember, in game they say they are following another, not Serpent. Serpent was but a puppet to Albert: to Model W. Albert didn't need anything more than for the Model's to Awaken. Then he could destroy the World, and cause it to become reborn, basically labeling him as the God of that world... He would be the Law.


 


Sep 30, 2009 -- 9:20PM, sanjiv wrote:


3- keep them safe from people who would destroy them...Hey, they can be destroyed, can't they?  Do they grow from fear like crystals?  They did look weird and sort of organic, I guess they really were a living machine.   I assume that they're somehow different from the miniature Model Ws that Serpent and Albert carried around.




 


Model W's were buried to absorb the anguish of many people above it. And they are all under ground. They have been uncovered from time to time (one in ZX was the one Ciel and the Researchers were studying) and thus it was locked once it's negative potential was realized. Others are underground until they themselves arise from awakening. ZX:A missions come to mind with this.


 


Sep 30, 2009 -- 9:20PM, sanjiv wrote:


3b- on second thought, I don't see how Albert would have had the capability of hiding so many model Ws.  he probably only moved some of them, and let the rest stay where they landed when Ragnarok broke in the Zero4.  In the Model H level in ZXA, the model W there was found on an alter, suggesting that there were people who had been worshiping it for quite some time.  These Model W's couldn't independently create black hole anomalies could they?...Although they were known to bring things back to life...




 


There are many of them. And they are scattered all around the area to which ZX and ZX:A take place. They are lot all over the Planet. So it would be easy for them to be buried. Left for ages, and forgotten by any possible assistance. And Albert being alive as long as he has would have had the ability to get such done without arousing such suspicion...

"Created from past life to preform illicit function. I fail this conscious madness... I: Man/Machine, imperfection."
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