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General Forums Mega Man® ZX Battle Network and X, same universe?
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Battle Network and X, same universe?
2 months ago  ::  Oct 11, 2009 - 8:33PM #21
sanjiv
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hmm.  Why do you suppose there aren't any personal Navi's on the Wave Road?  Did they just go out of style?

2 months ago  ::  Oct 12, 2009 - 2:36AM #22
Flame-G102
Posts: 233

Well no, there are still Navis, but I guess since people stopped being limited to just having one navi, and not needing them as much anymore, custom navis fazed out of common use. after all, now they have the navi cards. there are few custom ones, and theya re usually the ones designed for specific things. Such as Pitcherman, and Shoveler man. and the SF1 navis you get. the rest, such as teacher types, aremassmade, and are all the same.

2 months ago  ::  Oct 12, 2009 - 9:18PM #23
sanjiv
Posts: 115

So I ask again: Why do you suppose there aren't any personal Navi's on the Wave Road?  As you said, all the navis are functional navis--they belong to devices, not to people, and that's a major cultural change from the time of Battle Network.  What do you suppose caused that change?

Another Question:  Why does the SF1 store sell battle cards?  Who uses them?  Unlike the BN world, elementary school kids no longer have personal navis, and don't learn to fight viruses in school.  If I were to guess, I'd say that the game developers made some choices to portray their future world, but made others to enhance gameplay (read: stick with the BN formula).  Does it matter if they seem to contradict each other?

2 months ago  ::  Oct 13, 2009 - 1:20AM #24
Flame-G102
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Oct 12, 2009 -- 9:18PM, sanjiv wrote:


So I ask again: Why do you suppose there aren't any personal Navi's on the Wave Road?  As you said, all the navis are functional navis--they belong to devices, not to people, and that's a major cultural change from the time of Battle Network.  What do you suppose caused that change?

Another Question:  Why does the SF1 store sell battle cards?  Who uses them?  Unlike the BN world, elementary school kids no longer have personal navis, and don't learn to fight viruses in school.  If I were to guess, I'd say that the game developers made some choices to portray their future world, but made others to enhance gameplay (read: stick with the BN formula).  Does it matter if they seem to contradict each other?




People saw just what a stupid idea it was to have everything controlled by the internet with the likes of people like World 3, regal and those others who **** **** up from the internet. then since the wave road was either around, or slowly developed, they began to use that instead. its jst radio waves, and the problems caused are much less and isolated.


 


on the chip thing- well where else would you buy chips? plus, i think I rememebr from somewhere, that normal people do use them, but from their transer/star Carrier/Hunter VG. dunno how it works out, but whatever. though by 3, theyve basically reintroduced navis in the form of the new "wizards"


it does contradict, but it is the future of the BN series.

2 months ago  ::  Oct 13, 2009 - 2:23PM #25
sanjiv
Posts: 115

I don't understand why the wave world would be so much more secure than the net.  I agree with you--but I didn't follow your logic.  Is the wave world less interconnected?  Are there less viruses?  Also, are we sure that the wave road has replaced the internet?


Oct 13, 2009 -- 1:20AM, Flame-G102 wrote:


it does contradict, but it is the future of the BN series.




I agree that there's a contradiction, but then how do we go about choosing which facts to believe, and which facts to ignore?  I already suggested my preference for holding the artistic choices over the gameplay choices, but do you agree?  What's your alternative?

2 months ago  ::  Oct 13, 2009 - 11:27PM #26
Flame-G102
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Well in BN we saw that the net is vast, and connects almost every damn electronic appliance from a toaster to the satelites up in space. and that is prime bait for hackers and the bad guys of the series. attack an areas network and the whole appliance malfunction, shooting fire and such. in SF, the waves are used, but not to the same extent as the net was, I think.

2 months ago  ::  Oct 14, 2009 - 2:26PM #27
sanjiv
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Oct 13, 2009 -- 11:27PM, Flame-G102 wrote:


 ...in SF, the waves are used, but not to the same extent as the net was, I think.




In the beginning of SF2, the pimp-lookng fellow asks the kids to imagine a world without the waves, and how horrible that would be.  He seemed to suggest that the world was even more connected than it was before, and the consequences would be even more dire.  I think everything was still connected, but the connections were automated, and fewer people had access to the network.


In today's world, there's a similar argument going on about the security of the web, and there are forces that want to put the net under lock and key, and heavily regulate it.


In the world of SF, it seems that humans live in a completely consumerist society, and most people couldn't do anything on their own--think of the number of people in our own world who can't even change a car tire.  BN moved to SF because consumers were tired of the inconveniences.  WHat would need to happen to solve the inconveniences of the SF world?  I argue that automations would inevitably step in to fill the demand for cheap labor.  In this context, the AI systems from the Mr. Progs and Hertz could easily be applied to the automations for smarter and more efficient operations, especially since that technology already existed.  Since I'm making the argument that the sci-fi world of SF could lead to the sci-fi world of classic Megaman, I'd also reiterate that the wave world of SF makes possible various unexplained phenomenon in the later series.


As an interesting aside, microchips in our world were too expensive for the civilian market until AFTER Nasa had covered the high fixed costs of production.  In a delayed response to Zech's earlier (way earlier) post, I argue that the AI systems seen in the Classic Megaman series would not have risen unless the cost of implementing AI had been significantly reduced.  If you look at the various robots used today, they're all essentially drones with smart perception systems, but with very little decision making abilities, because they don't need them to perform their functions.


If Classic Megaman occured in 200X, I'd argue that there's no way we could have accomplished that level of technology, even in a war-driven technological race.  What was KI thinking when he picked that date?  What was the significance?

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