Hmmm a few more from me........

1. will there be an option to install the game on the PS3/360 harddrive to improve loading times?
2. Will players be allowed to create a custom rider/team to race against the MotoGP regulars and use in a career mode?
3. How deep with the bike setup options go? Will it be something simple as supersion fast/slow hard/soft or have something a bit more advance like rebound, compression, gear ratios, etc.....
4. Curious about the menu setup option, is there going to be global access?  By that I mean will I be able to go back to the main menu from any menu? It's a pain to have to sit through loading screens for 2 or 3 menus when you simply want to exit a mode and do something else.
5. Will the game have madatory weather options? I think this was briefly touched on before, but not in depth.   Basically will you be able to select the weather option in ALL modes? Some games let you do that in most modes but then in say a championship the weather is automatic and you don't have a choice
6. Kind of on the same subject. It would be cool to an option to have the game linked to realtime weather, so that you can race in what ever the realtime conditions of the track were for that day
7. This has also been touched on, but I'd like to see an in helmet view used. The last MotoGP title from Namco had one and it was great.  But more importantly I would really like the on bike camera to at the least have the option to "lock or choose the perspective" of that view.  By that I mean most on bike game views use the perspective of the camera mounted to the bike so when you corner the screen tilts. I kind of find this annoying and spend to much time adjusting my head to make it more natural.  It's cool for watching videos but for me at least not playing game.   Having an option to have the on bike perspective based on the camera located on the riders helmet would be nice.  I know when I ride and go through a corner the world doesn't "tilt".  My preference is the in car/on bike view but I rarely us it in bike games because the tilted earth thing tends to give me a headache after a while
8. Maybe this will become it's own thread but one of my biggest concerns is how Monumentum is going to handle the game AI. Is it going to be bound by the same set of rules as the players are? By that I mean respond to contact and off track excursions in the same manner.  Basically I really just don't want a repeat of the MotoGP 08/SBK 08 AI on rails  tragedy.  If the AI is going to be dumb I'd rather it be fast and fair, rather than cheap and dirty.
9. Are there going to be any blurring effects?  If so will there be an option to turn them off?  IF you can't tell I'm not a fan of such gimmicks, again as someone who has spent a fair amount of time on racetracks I have them blur or warp while riding. Well there was that concusion after a crash but then again .....
10. Application of Rider Aids.  Will these turn novices into Gods or simply make the game more manageable for them to come to grips with?  To after rider aids change the physics of the game instead of just helping to make the player around the track better.  A player using say a braking aid should have the same limits as one who isn't
11. Replay options: Will replays be able to be saved and shared.  Additionally will they have an option to display data (lap times, split times, telemetry, settings, etc......)?  These features were in the first 3 SBK games from EA Sports and really helped resolve a lot of "Cheating issues" because any fast time could be validated by reviewing the replay.  Having an option to save the replay of a fast lap in a time trial or race is a great feature of Tourist Trophy

May 13, 2009 -- 8:23AM, Juho wrote:

I think Live for speed has nailed the player view issue. Everything (field of view, head movement etc.) is adjustable by simple sliders and everybody gets what they want.

Personally I find it problematic that the the camera doesn't look into the corner as a real person would (in FP view) and you wind up not seeing where the track goes. The tilting is also annoying. In real life drivers try to keep their heads level because as we have found out in the games, it makes the driving unnecessarely hard when the world keeps swaying from one side to another.

Dude we are riding bikes not "driving" a car.  But that should be a mode one could choose if you think you need it.   Why not?

May 13, 2009 -- 2:17PM, Juho wrote:

My point was that eventhough we are driving bikes it shouldn't feel & look like being on a dinghy in a hurricane.

The bike leans from side to side yes, but the the whole world / view shouldn't.

YEah that is just a mode of play or changing the view to something like that.  I think one of the games had that before.  I know that when you play the onboard bike cockpit view you could have one that is more stable like what your saying instead of having the realistic feeling of the head movement .  YOu have to represent the lean somehow so I guess it is how you feel as though it should be.   It shouldn't be tough for them to make that happen how you want it.  There are alot of things such as this but have they listened in the past?

Ok not to get preachy here but people we have a chance to possibly finally be heard and listen to by developers. So it would really be beneficial to everyone interested in a quality game to put there own egos and attitudes aside and try to provide useful information and insite  for Monumentum about what it is we want in a game when responding to steve's threads for MotoGP.    Not everyone plays games for the same reasons and in the same way so all this trashing of other people's preferences is childish and useless. No one is right or wrong it's a matter of personal preference.  If you live for online racing great for you. If you live for leaderboards, great for you. If you never go online and want the option to have rider-aid assisted single player fun, well that's great for you also.   But what we must do with these responses is provide good information so that these guys can try and come up with a game that offers as much as it can to everyone.

Debates are fine as long as they are focused on resolutions to issues and not personal attacks or pissing contests. If this type of stuff continues no one can blame Monumentum for not taking anything we may say seriously and ignoring everything.   Then we will be stuck with the same unsatisfying games that we currently have

This talk about views got me thinking about something else and that is weight and tilt axis. The main thing that I completely hated about the last few Climax developed MotoGP titles to the point that I couldn't play them was that the bikes never felt like they had weight.  This was made worse by the fact that they seemed to be moving on the wrong axis.

To me they felt  more like the bikes were on ice and were controlled more momentum than actually inputs.  It's hard to actually describe in words, but again as a real rider I found this very foriegn.  Unless I was crashing I never felt like I had to have momentum to get my bike to go from one side to the other or to stand up. It generally feels like an extention of my body and if I were picking the bike up off it's side I never had to try and fight that momentum to keep it from just flopping on the opposite side.  This has been the same case on bikes that I've ridden regardless of if they were 4 stroke twins/fours, 600s/750s/1000s, 250 2 strokes, various dirtbikes...... I never had to fight the bike to get it to do what I wanted.  It either laid on the side of my choice. Stood up when I wanted it to.  Or flip flopped through a chicane if that was the case.  Basically it stopped where I stopped.

In the Climax developed MotoGP 06 & MotoGP 07 there is a huge delay between when you put an input into the game and how it handles those inputs.  If the bike is on it's side and you want to stand it you had to generally make two inputs, one to get the bike up and then another in the opposite direction to keep it from going past the veritcal point and on to the other side.   Additionally instead of tilting on the axis of the tire the bikes seemed to tilt on the axis of the rider which really messed up of the perception of space.  Again this felt completely unrealistic.

So I guess my question is how is the issue of weight going to be dealt with