Jun 23, 2009 -- 10:12PM, WALKEN wrote:

The Xbl demo disc with wacked and MotoGP was built around the Source Code of the PC version of MotoGP for PC and tweeked to fit its place concerning the added features like King of the corner, Fish bouncer, handling physics etc..

But the game is only a modification of the Source code....

No No No! lol the Xbox Live side was written in seven weeks especially for Xbox Live it was NOT a PC port. geez.....

Read this

BTW we also had Mech Assault on that demo disc too.

Jun 23, 2009 -- 10:18PM, Deputy wrote:

Maybe most of YOUR homeys play on consoles, but that doesn't make it a majority by any stretch.

I can back that up with facts, sales wise PC games sell less than a tenth of the units achieved by high profile console titles. Developers are now looking to other platforms to sell their PC titles. However, because of piracy the user base is probably higher, but the fact is sales for PC games are not good and it's sales not user base which the publisher will look at.

Yes the Netcode is a stand alone code, separate from the MotoGP URT source code.

But to accompany and benefit the features of the Netcode, the original source code was used and tweeked to mesh them together.

Did they release a demo? I can only find demos for MGP 2 and MGP URT 3.

My take on all this that there is a serious communication breakdown in terms of terminology and perception.

To me (and do note I said to me) this whole thing about scource code and porting is irrelevent because as was already mentioned the quality of a "port" generally comes down to time & money. Any train of thought that the general design or feel of a game is restricted by the platform is fundamentally flawed. By that I mean there is not one reason why the "feel" of a game can not be replicated across multiple platforms. A sim can be done on a console just as an arcade title can be done on a PC.  But as was already stated  "ports" tend to put more focus on the specific hardware features of those individual platforms, and so it seems less resources are spent on making sure there is a universal feel throughout all versions of the game. Whether this is because different teams handle the different versions or because companies figure people won't play cross platform versions of the same game and won't notice, I can't say.

Walken this is just an observation and not an insult, but may help clear up why you think people are always jumping on you.  Speaking for myself it's really hard to understand where you come from because you seem to flip sides a lot. For example....on 3 different threads you spent your entire time  coming down on anyone who wanted a bike game to be anywhere near realistic and seemed threatened by anyone who had real world biking experience and used it to try and back up what they were saying.   Your qoute was "you wanted to smash the track without limits" and wanted a RC mini MotoGP game.  Extremely arcade bias.  That's fine, I have no problem with that at all.

But then you turn around and start using the term "Realistic" to describe aspects of a bike game or your technique, when those are so far from what is actually "realistic" it makes someone like myself who do know what "realistic" actually feels like wonder were you are coming from. Given that it's hard to take you seriously sometimes especially on this topic when discussing GP1 and it's merits in regards to being "realistic". Just because it may not let you get slide happy doesn't mean that it's any more real than the slide happy Climax titles.   If you like that game great, but you really need to stop all the proclamations about how if a person has played this or that game or can't match your time in your preferred mode then their opinion isn't worth anything. My recommendation to Steve was to play EVERY bike game from the last 10years and lot at the strengths and weaknesses of all of them

My preferences has long been the EA Sports SBK 99-01 titles and ironically all 3 of those "felt" different, but the basic concept of trying to be a touch more real was always there.  I prefer SBK'08 & MGP08 over anything Climax has done again because I felt they tried to be a bit more real in regards to how the bikes actually felt even if the games came up short in the features and presentation dept.  All five of these titles are and were heavily flawed and if anyone ever tried to ride a motorcycle in the manner represented in those games they would end up dead (very quickly).   Having said that if someone doesn't hold those games in as high of regard as I do that's fine by me, as long as they understand the essence of why I like them.

Monumental doesn't have to try and recreate those early EA Sports titles for me to like their game.  They'd have to just try to replicate the reality of the sport.  The game doesn't have to be hard, just somewhat correct in regards to how a motorcycle works and then provide me with the options I want to enjoy the game in the manner that I want.  Going by what Steve has responded with I can tell their title isn't what I want and will be more of the same stuff I've long grown tired of.  I'll end up buying it, but I bet it will end up like SBK'09 and be on permenantly on my shelf after an hour or two.

I've done my best with this post to be objective and to the point. If there is anything you find offensive or threatening by it dude then I don't know what to tell you. I can't help it if I can explain myself without getting emotional. And don't get bent out of shape if someone does agree with, understand or asks for more clearity with something I say.  Whether you agree with my point of view or not it has remained consistant throught every post I've made on here.  Misunderstood maybe, but always consistant