I don't disagree that A.I. should be sound and stable for the offline crowd to have a basis of, and or goal.

But after years of Online gaming with (people), you realize that people find ways to go faster then the intentions of the Developers phyiscs (AI), there for leading you into a new train of thought, where the AI becomes insignificant.

That being said AI isn't good enough anymore, spoiled if you will.

The one question I have is, isn't the online gaming community much larger than the offline community? If so, doesn't that make the offline community the underdogs? Sad but true, we are talking about money here.    

Just a way to look at the debate, not a disagreement!

Aug 22, 2009 -- 1:52PM, gmontalc wrote:

Aug 22, 2009 -- 4:33AM, HeYjOe wrote:

Here's a grenade or two 

The A.I. in truth doesn't bother me personally as in ALL bike games I treat 'em with total disrespect, shunting 'em off at every opportunity to gain position for the win. For me it's a "means to an end", ie. I just want the maxed out bike for the on-line races.

It should bother you as well for other fans that bother them, how can you have an opportunity to win if the opposite AI is much more stronger than you?, lets say that you have the most fastest bike, but the AI is setup to catch you up on every corner and knocks you out ... what's then?, would you be happy with the game? besides what's the point to race by yourself, ahead all alone a mile long away?; And also do not looks realistic.

What is important in a realistic racing game?

1. Accurate Handling
2. Artificial Intelligence (AI)
   
3. Accurate dimension circuits (tracks)
4. Graphics and sound.
   

If any of those ingredients are missing in the game, then forget it.

Anything else are add-ons to enhance the quality of the game, whether visually or cosmetics reasons, ie. livery, buildings, garages, smoke, crashes, damages... etc. This is a topic so much discussed in the past two years that it's unbelievable to mention it and go over and over again. After so many MotoGP releases from different companies/developers and playing all those games, we as fans must know by now what do we really want in a game and instead being at this point like... "I don't care" .

I generally agree wit your posts but I think your idea of a Motogp game doesn't meet what a modern racing title should.   Yes those are fine in previous generations.  But Now-Gen it's a little short-sighted.

Framework of a game now must include a sound online structure, it's a pre-requisite.  An absoloute must.   It's easy to contemplate, look at all the top games in whatever genre, now write down the reasons why they're there in the first place!!!

Aug 23, 2009 -- 6:55AM, HeYjOe wrote:

Your priority list highlighted in Red doesn't even contain functional "on-line" (even at No5 spot!), sorry but it should be there, ...

On-line gaming has nothing to do with a good accurate gaming development. Way before "ON-line" gaming, people were demanding a good game to play, graphics, interactivity... etc. I did not take it in consideration cause "ON-line" is an optional add-on. But the points that I did mention are crucial in a game now days ( in this case in a "racing game").

What's is useful to have the ON-line feature, "IF" the game itself is a bunch of bull crap?, On the other hand if the game is a hit, then is a must the ON-line feature?, I would say.. No, must not.

Believe me I am not underestimating the ON-line gaming, I do enjoy it too, but the original discussion came about the awful A.I. shown on the video and picture gameplay of MotoGP 9/10.

Let's get focus on the actual problem seen in the videos and screenshots gameplay, and  I hope we will get something done right about the next MotoGP game.

Aug 20, 2009 -- 4:35AM, Juho wrote:

I've been watching the video over and over again and AI behaviour has me a bit worried. It seems that the AI is incabable of even starting the race properly. When looking at the start it seems that all the AI drivers instantly start swerving around and hitting each other.

My questions are:

Are the starts really going play out like that in the final game?

Are the starts "canned" like in SBK where every start is exactly the same as far as AI behaviour goes?

If you take a look at the latest vid posted they go on about how the A.I. has been improved and totally revamped, so you'll be happy that's "out the way"

I do think how-ever there's other stuff in the vid that may be more important and dubious.

Not sure where all this is going, a good or bad place?

The game certainly looks better and not as twitchy, maybe it'll be alright

MotoGP 08 was the first game ever that I have sold (yesterday, after long collecting dust).

I beg you, just do an exact replica of MotoGP 07 with updated graphics and everything will be great again.