Nov 2, 2009 -- 12:53PM, gmontalc wrote:

Nov 2, 2009 -- 9:03AM, WhoDaFunk wrote:

You can't compare  a spot on bad a$$ motorctcle game like TT to any of the crap Climax put out 

I wonder how big is your brain, did you read my comments ?

GMONTALC ..i'm not sure why you are throwing out insults at me when I simply stated a fact. I have never really come out  against you in any way , shape or form I have never commented on any of your videos and how pathetically slow you are. So i am not really sure why you are taking shots at me and throwing out insults. You were never that good at any of the Climax games so i suggest you get off that high horse of yours and come down to reality. Step aside and let the big boys discuss this game   

Nov 2, 2009 -- 1:32PM, WALKEN wrote:

Gmontalc,?

Can we please debate about something else? This is getting sooooo boring....

Agree, you haven't proved anything, therefore is no point to keep up talking about the same thing over and over. If you're so smart why don't you talk about the "PHYSICS" itself instead of talking about me, which I have never talked about me saying "I am fast" or "I'm the best", you love to twist things when not going on your way. I have UBUNTU linux and plays all Flash videos perfect. Also I have gave you moral support for your ideas and you know it, IF your little project is a failure then blame the people who have not give you the promised proper material support, don't blame me !. Your challenge is silly, because I do not play Arcade style (kudos,kudos) for my Scoreboard like you and the people you said, like I said If you're able to twick the game in order to get those ridiculous times, then you're a cheater, and I do not play with cheaters.

It is a petty when people amuse themself by trying to put down others without any comprehention, is no point with you guys, it won't matter which game I would talk about without still some of you will come out with a smart rear ear comment and argue about it.

It was no wonder why MotoGP 06 won the ING Award E3 Best Racing Game of that year, sure it has flows in it, but at that time was the best and still is enjoyable, the most basics things in a racing game is in there where so much more modern games those important features are missing.

You people acting childish, except for few mature ones, in this forum can't talk about any game. I have yet to see Walken, Whodafunk review and talk about a game, but yet pretending to answer with a few meaningless words a post or comments. It is not personal, is all about the game. For once is not me whos going to determined the outcome of this game.

Man Gmontalc please help me understand?

First you say Gp3 is great and 09/10 should follow suit. now its Gp06?

C'mon man, please..

The only reason Gp06 won an award was there was no competition beside it?

In todays society a person can go take a $hit and get an award for it... No merits in that....

I have played all the Climax MotoGP's and if you wanna discuss handling physics while using Climax's games as a base point then I feel its important for you or anyone for that matter to understand the starting point be it MotoGP URT 1. 

Dismiss that title and you have already excluded the very foundation of the series... 

Even the simple URT tag and disagreement that it was only in Gp3 is cause for me to not take a person serious as that is flat out wrong. 

If you would like to take your reseach seriously about handling physics then maybe you should get a copy of MotoGP URT 1 for PC and we will race online through IP addesses and you can tell me then how you think the the handling is wrong..

Then we will move on the GP2, then Gp3.... so on etc.... I can almost certainly say that by the time you reach Gp06 you will understand how badly the handling Physics had become... 

Speaking of success and awards, theres no mystery in why Country/rap and Nascar are HUGE... Its simple and acsessible to the general public which ='s mass appeal madness and sales... Which inturn ='s awards. Some people are easily amuzed and other not so..

 

Saying people have no brains is insulting.

If you wanna break down the Climax handling physics I'll do it right on my Blog channel. 

Also you throw the "I use Ubuntu" wow!!! have you used Debian, (the source of Ubuntu) or Slackware or Mandrake/Mandriva, PClinuxOS, Linux Mint, Syabion, etc???? I've used many Linux Distros, but this isn't about tit for tat about Linux distros now is it?

Can you compile source codes?

Heres a Handling Physics question for you Gmontalc- how can a developer adjust a lap time to emulate the real world lap times without surpassing real world physics?

and- using geometry can you take Mugello and a Yamaha M1 and map the limit of the fastest line possible and the fastest moment the bike can achieve within tire wear and engine preformance..

Now once you have reached that conclusion the important question is-

How can the developers design a set of scoreboards to create compition when most GP players/riders will hit the limit time on their first lap? Then resulting scoreboards that look like this-

1. Gmontalc-1:59:68

2.WhoDaFunk-1:59:68

3.HeyJoe-1:59:68

4so on etc for the next 6000 places?

Answer that question!

Because I just blew a freaking motor and I'm pissed I'm going to jump into this just to vent.


Walken don't take this personally but for starters there is a difference between physics & technique, which is what you seem to want to debate with gnomatic. (and no I'm not taking sides).   This logic you have that unless you are the fastest on some leader board that you aren't allowed to talk about qualities of a game has no merit what so ever.  You don't have to look any further then the MotoGP paddock to prove that.   By your logic, people like Jerry Burgess who have proven to be very capable at making motorcycles go fast can't discuss said physics of fast motorcycles because they aren't actually capable of riding those bikes fast themselves..  While at the same time any fearless action junkie would be qualified to because they can actually go fast even if they don't know why.     That really makes no sense what so ever.  I have taught numerous riders who are faster then me how to go even faster so that also puts a big whole in your theory.  So if you guys are going to debate at least debate on the same topic/subject

On the topic of video game physics we've been down this road before, but I still don't recall you ever directly answering the question so I'll ask it again.   Have you ever ridden a motorcycle?  If you have have you done so on a racetrack?  If you haven't then you aren't qualified to talk about "real physics".  Honestly that has been my main problem when you talk about physics of you beloved Climax GP games.  If you prefer them  and find that game fun, that's fine, but they are nowhere near "real" (and please spare me the Mini-RC-GP thing that you are bound to toss in).  As someone who has first hand experience of going around a track on a bike at speed, I stand by that statement.

Another old topic are the challenges you throw up.  Enjoy the way you like to play and don't worry about others. Using your car example, cheating would be racing someone with your 5.0 liter  after agreeing to race with a 4.8 liter.  I wouldn't call Arcade mode cheating but by the very nature of the mode it requires less skill to go faster then the sim mode.  That's just a fact that no matter how hard you try to dress it up that won't change.   But if the absolute fastest time is all that matters to you and the absolute fastest times come in the arcade modes then fine enjoy it.  But again please stop trying to prop it up to be something that it's not. Your talk about "finding exploits" and blah blah blah is all talk as you aren't doing anything special aside from letting the game assist you in getting fast times.   Nothing wrong with that at all. I don't like rider aids and refuse to use them in games and in real life.  If someone is faster then me because of rider aids then so be it, but that doesn't mean that they are a better rider.

you threw up a challenge to me in the past and I beat you soundly and have beat you handily every time we've raced online.  You then preceded to slam the sim mode as "unexplainable, unplayable, and slow" despite the fact that others were doing everything you said couldn't be done, but the problem was simply that you couldn't do it without the game assisting you.   Part of your challenge was to run 43's at Brno, which you achieved in arcade mode, well the record I got down to low 42's at Brno in the sim mode……. so what does that mean?   absolutely nothing in regards to talking about whether a game is good or bad. I can go fast with the Climax games also, so it's not a case of me hating them because I can't play them.  It's a case of me hating them because they aren't correct and I don't find them fun.   I notice people dissing the Namco MotoGP games a lot around here, but honestly I prefer the Namco games over the Climax games any day of the week.   Do I think the Namco games physics are better or closer to real?  No absolutely not.   What I prefer is the fact that the Namco games don't try or pretend to be anything other than a fun fast arcade experience, which is something that it succeeds in doing.

In the end you are correct, this whole topic is worthless because aside from us posters, no one is listening and we are going to continue to get the same old crap over and over again.