sorry maybe its just my misunderstanding but i still dont understand how a camera angle can change the way we view the physics of a bike if it is leaning from side to side from the pivot of the tyre? surely it would just show the same bike pivot movement from a different perspective? surely a low view camera/ mid view camera/ high view camera/ would all be the same viewable pivot from bottom of tyre but a different perspective?

maybe someone can post a video in reality following a leaning bike showing 3xviews with a camera low and pointing at the tyre and a camera midway pointing at the seat/rider and a camera high pointing downwards to show if its the same results as what the devs answer to the question was, im sure the pivot and lean point would still be at the tyre in all views,.

maybe im wrong who knows but id like a better explanation than its just the camera view, id like to know why.

but then if theres at least one view thats usable behind the bike and also a good cockpit view then i guess i will be happy enough ;p

(just for a laugh, put your right arm in front of your head and eyes and put your left forefinger pointing down on your right arm like so __ | __ pivot the left finger left and right like a bike leaning __\ __  __ | __  __ / __ and move your arm all around and up down in front of your head with your eyes acting as if it were the camera view, does the view of the pivot of your finger change? hmm i expect not so i am curious how it would effect different looking bike actions/physics from different camera options in 09/10)

when i changed to a different view my "thread" showed that the rear wheel wasn't remaining planted - the bike appeared to pivot !. So in short i think the handling in 09/10 is probably fine, it's just the camera that's causing the pivot illusion.

I hope you're right, but what Steve said makes me believe they have cooked up a  camera angle that makes it look like it pivots from the contact patch while it actually doesn't. The CENTER OF GRAVITY is different in each different motorcycle while the fact that the bike pivots from the contact path never changes! If the bike rotates from the center of gravity thats DEAD WRONG and thats exactly how it SHOULD NOT BE and explains what we are seeing on the videos. The only way the rapid side to side tire flicks coudl even appear to be possible is that the pivot is wrong and now Steve has gone so far as to say it's wrong while insisting it's because of the camera angle.

From Steve:

The bikes actually rotate from their centre of gravity, but if you focus on the back tyre contact point with the ground, it gives the illusion that the bike rotates from the contact patch, which is similar to how the old Climax MotoGP camera views worked. We are offering both types of view because of feedback resulting from these Q&A sessions.

The #2 looks convincing in a way, but is actually fake. The pivot is the same as in #1 but since the tyre stays on the ground it looks better. Add this to the center of the screen and have the track moving under the bike and what do you get...

Juho you are an animal, your post is Brilliant. it's obvious that this game like the Climax exercises the center of gravity rotation. Forget about the camera view optical illusion is crap. Like I said before i can put it in Helmet cam view  and the tilt os fine...or is it?? I can only really remember Gp500 as completely tilting on the contact patch. 

if monumental is offering both types of view , there is no problem at all as long as they use the right physic...just switch the camera u like(i hope have tarmac pivot as well as horizontal track such as pilot 2 in all climax gp series)..but dear monumental u must understand that illusion of rotatng bike given by center of gravity is totally crap(DO U WANNA UNDERSTAND THIS!!!????)...

and at the last trailer u spend only 2 second on the right pivot starting from 1.16...u would have had more positive feedback so far.....why r u so ostinated!

Break open the gold stars and give Juho a few -- great work.