Well Thx Andrew for seeing my point.

I guess what I'm driving at  they are trying to make MotoGP for consoles a mass appeal game by dumbing it down for the general populous. 

There is no debating the fact that PC is the platform for Simulation, anything else pales in comparison.

I really am not to concerned with an over the top Simulation on a console. I would rather play a fun game that is middle of the road on a console than a full blown sim, on a console, which will never happen anyway.

with the indepth menu's and and controller tweaks so on etc, in a Simulation like RFactor where freedom of turning antializing on and off to suit ones needs of game play can only be brought to a platform like PC.. 

Beyond that I will say that even in the Very first outing of MotoGP URT by Climax (PC), the Read me files support Hacking, believe it or not. I can copy and paste it for proof? But this opens doors to future builds and mods to retain a value and fan base.. The intentions of those developers were obvious. Its Xbl that started to  dumb down what was the begining of what could have been a very different game, but we will never know.

Just like the sport itself, its technical and should be on PC to  allow Modding to suit the hardcore fans, not the people who consider themselves to be hardcore but limit themselves to a Console. Just my opinion!

lol, everyone wants stimulation Joe, lol...

This is shaping up beautifully. My point is becoming apparent. I don't want to have a full out Simulation game on a Console, just a middle of the road game as it should be. 

A console can't support the type of freedom a PC can hence games like Grand Turismo/Forza, which console gamers claim to be full blown sims which are not even close to say Live for Speed/RFactor..

It is nice to have the convenience of pop and play. 

PC's are more indepth and require more dedication, hence a more serious level of play, hence Simulation.

It can't be anymore obvious that when developing a game for Mass Appeal/console market that the game must be middle of the road. Fun.

If you want more than that then the option is on PC, and by not venturing there to witness the reality of a real simulation be it you are a real simulation fan or a console try to be simulation fan, then you owe it to yourself to not limit yourself to middle of the road, or you can take a stance as mine and reap both and not be troubled by lack of. 

Its simple, Console- Mass Market Middle of the road.

PC- Simulation.

Its like Nascar to F1, if you are a nascar fan but want more options, move to F1.

Interms of Gp09/10 I just want a fun MotoGP game that isn't quite as uptight as a serious PC sim and not quite as lame as Project Gothem/need for speed.

I think a MotoGP game that directly reflects F1 Championship Edition for Ps3 would be the end all of MotoGP. 

The reason I feel this way is I haven't heard/read a bad thing about it from PC gamers to consoles games.. Its a true crossover title, best of both worlds..

Surprisingly this is getting somewhere.

We know a PC version of 09/10 is a moot point. That being said what needs to be focused on is how close to reality a game can get on a console opposed to pc...

A perfect example of that would be F1 Championship Edition, Ps3.. I don't think anyone would rebutle that F1 CE is by far the closest thing to a PC simulation you are going to find on any Console.

IMO it offers a great balance of realism and fun in one package. People who don't want extra tweaking outside of ingame setting need not worry..

Seeing as F1 and MotoGP are very close in many ways I think being frank or forward to Monumental about an indepth look at this title would be a great base for the overall feel in general concerning Gp09/10.

So I ask, how is that being biased or unfair? IMO alot of people are shouting for realism (rightfully so) and there are those who want a fun game, (rightfully so) but first I think its important to know if we are all on the same page when we do talk about Simulation?

Simulation to one person may be derived from Grand turismo, and to another RFactor, but very different, but both labeled as Simulation games. There are Sims that you need to do 15 things before you even leave the garage, and others that you jump in and drive that have  slippery handling physics..  

Like I said and will say a million times over just because from where we have been in the past to where we are now a middle of the ground MotoGP game to appeal to everyone with an equal balance would be a mirror of F1 CE.

I can't see how anyone could not think thats a fair balance, if not then I'm lost?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0hwWNQpb7g

RFactor set up screen, lol.

1st video: MotoGP3 URT THQ/CLIMAX (Addictive) Good Game*

2nd video: MOTOGP 2 THQ/CLIMAX (superb A.I, handling) Good Game*