Retsu really is one of the SF1 characters who should have made a return in 4.... since Gouken and Dan were brought back. But not only does he have ties to those two, he also has possible ties to Makoto. Possibly with Sagat as well, since they were both in the first SF tournament. Right now Dan's story is in limbo, Ono has cut off the ties between him and Sagat (which is stupid), so why not have a bit of a compelling story between him and his former sensei?
@josh: Remy is not Charlie's son nor Guile's son. Capcom said he's not, and that should be enough. Yes, his gameplay is reminding of them (like every SFIII character's gameplay hints at some old SF character), but that's just to please those players who used to play Guile, and it shouldn't be seen as a storyline connection (same for Ibuki/Geki and Makoto/Retsu). Also... Remy does not use Sonic Booms like Charlie and Guile, his "supernatural projectiles" are ki/energy blasts (i.e.: something more similar to a Hadouken). Actually, the only true hint about Remy being Guile's or Charlie's son is that Guile has been working in a U.S. AirForce base in France (as shown in Final Fight 2, during the boss fight against Freddie) and Charlie may have spent some time in France too (hinted by the Abel storyline). But that brings me back to the start: it's not enough, especially since Capcom stated that Remy is not Charlie's son, nor Guile's.
Sorry, but I don't like your idea. Cutting 3 SFIV characters (I just counted a total of 22, I didn't bother checking which ones you removed) and adding few SFIII ones (including Charlie and Remy: gameplay wise, a clone and a clone of a clone) doesn't appeal to me. I prefer to believe the rumour above: keeping all SFIV characters, adding many more (10) from different brands (FF, SFA, SSFII and SFIII), and no clones.
lol if you would have read everything that I posted carefully after my idea post I said that Capcom denied Remy being related to guile or charlie (but just because they denied it doesnt mean anything cause anything can change much like the recently debated Gouken dead or alive posts). I did not take anyone out of the roster list on purpose it was late at night so my head wasnt on straight. As far as the clone thing goes.......Ryu, Ken, Akuma (all clones and developer standpoint wise Sagat is too) so your clone theory is all it is a theory. There are enough differences in all 3 of those characters to make them work (much like the differences between ken, ryu, and akuma). Guile's Sonic Boom, Remys projectile, Sagats Tigershot, and the Hadouken are all under the supernatural side cause all of them are done by focusing chi through the arms or hands to form a projectile (give me a link to capcom saying that its different then you will be credible) so you have no point there. Also there is no reason to be sorry cause I wasnt asking for yours or anyone else's approval of my idea.
lol if you would have read everything that I posted carefully after my idea post I said that Capcom denied Remy being related to guile or charlie (but just because they denied it doesnt mean anything cause anything can change much like the recently debated Gouken dead or alive posts). I did not take anyone out of the roster list on purpose it was late at night so my head wasnt on straight. As far as the clone thing goes.......Ryu, Ken, Akuma (all clones and developer standpoint wise Sagat is too) so your clone theory is all it is a theory. There are enough differences in all 3 of those characters to make them work (much like the differences between ken, ryu, and akuma). Guile's Sonic Boom, Remys projectile, Sagats Tigershot, and the Hadouken are all under the supernatural side cause all of them are done by focusing chi through the arms or hands to form a projectile (give me a link to capcom saying that its different then you will be credible) so you have no point there. Also there is no reason to be sorry cause I wasnt asking for yours or anyone else's approval of my idea.
Oh also I forgot Sakura is a clone too.
LOL I did read carefully what you wrote, but it seems you didn't. In fact, I said that SINCE Capcom stated that he's not Charlie/Guile's son... there's no point in arguing more. I UNDERLINED the fact that you acknowledged this huge obstacle to your theory, but still you decided to just ignore this vital part.
"**** it, I'd still like it if he was Charlie's son!" is funny to read, but it's not much of an argumentation.
The assumption that high fanbase demand will make Capcom change their minds and make Remy Guile's son, just like the high fanbase demand made Capcom change their mind and bring Gouken back (because that's what brought back Gouken: mass obsession over an unexistant character... for almost two decades), is simply retarded and I won't discuss more over it.
About the clone thing... how original, you're listing the shotos! Sorry, you fail again. Though similar, they're all original and different in their own way, but most importantly... they're all very much loved. Again, Ken is vital to this franchise, and he has to be in the game no matter how close his gameplay may be to Akuma's (and that's it). The same can't be OBVIOUSLY said for a character like Remy.
Once again... you ask me to give you sources and all you give me is mere statements, supported by just arrogance, and no sources at all! You're wrong. A Sonic Boom is... well... a sonic boom! It says in the name that it involves SOUND, not energy blasts.
From Vasili10/Tiamat's guide (as you may know, ALL of their sources are official): "Although they look similar, the method of channeling ki for Remy's specials are completely different from Guile's. For one thing, they don't involve sound, of course. So Remy didn't learn the sonic boom or anything from Guile or Nash or anyone. His moves are, storyline-wise, completely different (otherwise, they'd probably be named "sonic boom", etc). Remy's attacks seem light-based, judging by the names of them."
The same guide says that, though born from the person's inner ki, the Sonic Boom is "thrust at a speed faster than sound. When someone is hit by the sonic boom, it'll feel like getting smashed into a brick wall." Just like what the real sonic boom effect is supposed to be ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_boom ).
Many other sources (Capcom Database Wikia, to name one) say Remy just uses Ki blasts. None says he uses the Sonic Boom or "sound based projectiles" whatsoever, be them official, semi-official or non-official.
Also, dude... there's no need to be an *** if all you're giving us is some messed up theories that were proven wrong to start with. All you have to do is thank me for taking the time to make these posts and give you a lot of informations you're lacking. You're welcome.
lol if you would have read everything that I posted carefully after my idea post I said that Capcom denied Remy being related to guile or charlie (but just because they denied it doesnt mean anything cause anything can change much like the recently debated Gouken dead or alive posts). I did not take anyone out of the roster list on purpose it was late at night so my head wasnt on straight. As far as the clone thing goes.......Ryu, Ken, Akuma (all clones and developer standpoint wise Sagat is too) so your clone theory is all it is a theory. There are enough differences in all 3 of those characters to make them work (much like the differences between ken, ryu, and akuma). Guile's Sonic Boom, Remys projectile, Sagats Tigershot, and the Hadouken are all under the supernatural side cause all of them are done by focusing chi through the arms or hands to form a projectile (give me a link to capcom saying that its different then you will be credible) so you have no point there. Also there is no reason to be sorry cause I wasnt asking for yours or anyone else's approval of my idea.
Oh also I forgot Sakura is a clone too.
LOL I did read carefully what you wrote, but it seems you didn't. In fact, I said that SINCE Capcom stated that he's not Charlie/Guile's son... there's no point in arguing more. I UNDERLINED the fact that you acknowledged this huge obstacle to your theory, but still you decided to just ignore this vital part.
"**** it, I'd still like it if he was Charlie's son!" is funny to read, but it's not much of an argumentation.
The assumption that high fanbase demand will make Capcom change their minds and make Remy Guile's son, just like the high fanbase demand made Capcom change their mind and bring Gouken back (because that's what brought back Gouken: mass obsession over an unexistant character... for almost two decades), is simply retarded and I won't discuss more over it.
About the clone thing... how original, you're listing the shotos! Sorry, you fail again. Though similar, they're all original and different in their own way, but most importantly... they're all very much loved. Again, Ken is vital to this franchise, and he has to be in the game no matter how close his gameplay may be to Akuma's (and that's it). The same can't be OBVIOUSLY said for a character like Remy.
Once again... you ask me to give you sources and all you give me is mere statements, supported by just arrogance, and no sources at all! You're wrong. A Sonic Boom is... well... a sonic boom! It says in the name that it involves SOUND, not energy blasts.
From Vasili10/Tiamat's guide (as you may know, ALL of their sources are official): "Although they look similar, the method of channeling ki for Remy's specials are completely different from Guile's. For one thing, they don't involve sound, of course. So Remy didn't learn the sonic boom or anything from Guile or Nash or anyone. His moves are, storyline-wise, completely different (otherwise, they'd probably be named "sonic boom", etc). Remy's attacks seem light-based, judging by the names of them."
The same guide says that, though born from the person's inner ki, the Sonic Boom is "thrust at a speed faster than sound. When someone is hit by the sonic boom, it'll feel like getting smashed into a brick wall." Just like what the real sonic boom effect is supposed to be ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_boom ).
Many other sources (Capcom Database Wikia, to name one) say Remy just uses Ki blasts. None says he uses the Sonic Boom or "sound based projectiles" whatsoever, be them official, semi-official or non-official.
Also, dude... there's no need to be an *** if all you're giving us is some messed up theories that were proven wrong to start with. All you have to do is thank me for taking the time to make these posts and give you a lot of informations you're lacking. You're welcome.
I am going to go ahead and spell this out for you in my second post after constantine asked me if the charlie remy thing was my idea...AFTER my idea post (learn to read) that capcom denied that idea and that I read it in a street fighter wiki.....(once again look up and read).
that would be ****** awesome :D btw is it true that Remy is Charlies son??? or u just came up with that... ??
I have been writing SF fanfiction since alpha, I actually used to live and breathe Street fighter until EGM came up with the Gouken april fools joke and capcom didnt bite and do it. Then SF 4 came out and picqued my interest again then they showed Gouken and the SF creative juices started flowing again. As far as the Remy being Charlies son thing I just assume (even tho the SF wiki says capcom confirmed he is neither related to charlie or guile) so because of his move set and the fact that charlie/guile left everything behind to chase bison that it makes sense because guile only has a daughter and we know almost nothing of Charlie. Besides all that stuff can change since Udon has been publishing street fighter comics for many years now and CAPCOM made that series the official storyline for it. I love the Udon series and it is very reminiscent to my work before it came out (I wrote it down on paper so no i dont have proof lol). Udon has a SF4 mini that just ended and they are starting the Street Fighter 3 comic pretty soon to go along side Street Fighter 2 Turbo Series they have been doing (which is great if I might add).
Anyways about this game layout, I came across this idea because when street fighter 4 was released and king of fighters 12 was just starting to be shown, a couple of friends and I made a Tabletop version of Capcom vs Snk from scratch from the ground up. So i started thinking about what I would do for the next game. I personally would like to see Mel Masters (Kens son who was featured in Kens sf3 ending) at first be trained by Ken and "uncle" Ryu. Then when Gouken sees Mel training (I have not come up with why gouken shows up yet) notices that Mel has the signs of the "Power of Nothingness" and decides to train Mel in his version (self defense) of the Anasatsuken. I have alot more but i dumbed it down because "Dash" to me wont be a full game. If you want to know more my email is neozolo@hotmail.com
As far as your stupid sonic boom theory, I know what a sonic boom is and if you did...you would know that a sonic boom in reality does not make an actual shape (guiles sonic boom does which is a result of him using his ki to form it and putting his arms in a forward arc cutting motion). By your standards you are telling me that guile can swing his arms faster than the speed of sound to make a sonic boom, but unfortunately you contradict yourself because in reality arms dont move that fast yet you base your sonic boom theory off reality (which doesnt make sense). I dont care about their wiki.....they were proven wrong by a mod on here so your point is absolutely non existant (not unexistant you should learn to spell as well). Whether their sources are official or not doesnt mean squat since you know it can be changed like it has been before whether you want to believe or like it or you dont.
yes they all do play different, and if you played as charlie you would know that he plays different from guile in the ways that all of his moves are not the same as guiles. His flash kick does more of a forward angle and guiles is more verticle, and guiles sonic boom moves much faster than charlies and he can chase after it where with charlie you cant. Oh and they share one super..... whether or not you can play them differently doesnt mean they arent clones cause you can play any character differently. Ken, Ryu, Sakura, Dan, and akuma share the Dragon Punch (same design) meaning clone. Ryu, Ken, Akuma, and Sakura share the Hurricane kick (same design) meaning clone. Oh wait there is more.....Ryu, Ken, Akuma, Dan, and Sakura share the Hadoken (well who would have known same design) meaning CLONE. Sagat has the tiger shot which is the same as a hadoken but he can do it high or low, and his Tiger uppercut is the same function as a dragon punch....CLONE.
For your imformation I wasnt being a ****. You were being the **** by criticizing my idea when I never asked for your opinion in the first place. I was stating facts (whether you want to believe them or not) about you trying to tell me that I didnt say anything about capcom denying the charlie/guile/remy thing its because I did and I just proved it to you. Since you called me arrogant now i will be a **** because you cant read. You just assume what you know is true, which it is not. You still did not give me any official word from capcom about the sonic boom thing all you did was try to make it real when it is a game and its not so just stop while you think you are ahead.
Being the Akuma fan that I am I must say I'd like to see Shin Akuma. I know it probably won't happen but he needs a super that isn't raging demon. The Ultra is way more frightening. Or maybe evil Ryu?
