Jun 28, 2009 -- 11:27PM, YFB47 wrote:

Jun 28, 2009 -- 10:48PM, Scarecrow wrote:

In all honesty this argument is mostly/only valid because of Ryu

 

Even a 5 year old can learn a shoryuken + Ultra. It's just to easy(fast) to pull off a lp shoryuken.
The only way Ryu should get you with a juggle + Ultra should be with his double air punch, a shoryuken FADC, or EX hurricane kick.

But the fact that he can ALSO get you with a lp shoryuken is absurd.

The percentage of him getting you with his Ultra is at least 75%, compared to others who are mostly around 50%

 

I know where this thread is coming from, it's coming from the fact that more than half of players use Ryu because of how simple it is to use him. He'll get you with an Ultra almost every time.

Exactly Scarecrow, I am saying it is way to easy to link them. and it is like clock work how easy it is to link ryu SRK then ultra or super. like you said a lil kid can do it by messing up and realizing then he can do that move all the time. Ryu without EX cancelling out like you said is absurb. It kinda defeats the purpose of the cancelling moves ya know. With ken you can just keep pressing the patteren of the SRK and cancel out the uppercut and into the Reppa. With Sagat he can kick you once from the air and then ultra or super or ex tiger uppercut get to the ground before you and then ultra. LIKE WHAT FORREAL THO!!!!!! then Bison he you with that punches then BRINGS THE PAIN LOL. Another is Balrog with the headbutt that goes through anything LOL but links it with his ultra imean damn. you dont see Gief doing that move with his hand and thrn rite into his Final Buster. or akuma doing his double kicks and then ultra it doesnt work. there are others i just cant think bout them rite now lol

Yeah, they took juggling to a whole new level of absurdity.

I'm ok with some. I mean for Balrog you just need to know that he'll be trying to get you with that. And the fact that you can punish him if he misses the headbutt balances it out. Sakura can link her juggling into Ultra, but to actually get someone with an EX shunpukyaku isn't likely.

Those characters who can attack you in the air and then Ultra you, that's fine since it's very predictable, easy to punish.

Sagat is the other character I agree with you though, he can juggle into everything

Sad thing is that they'll probably wait for SFV to fix these juggling problems

Ryu's ultra is easy considering that you can trade - ultra, and lp shoryu jump-ins - ultra, but rufus is pretty much the same no? And with sagat's kick juggle ultra (I think does more damage than ryu's shoryu ultra), all I am saying is that ryu is not the only one. Gief and ultra out of a blocked green glove (correct me if I am wrong). Abel can combo into ultra, ken can combo in ultra, gouken can, chunli can, balgog can (though doesnt do nearly enough damage), viper can, cammy can, sakura can, seth can... if most character can juggle ultras, then it really isn't unfair is it? I main Akuma as well, and he has a whole list of guaranteed ultras in countering others moves, not to mention tricks to set up ultra (though not fool proof, but also, people can avoid jump- ins if they dont want to fall victim to ryu's ultra, or at least resort to safe jump-ins). I have landed akuma's ultra over 1000s of times, with at least 800 ultra finishes. What I am trying to say is that I can't see how it is unfair. Sure it might be easier for someone new to pick up ryu's lp shoryu ultra, but this game is way deeper than about landing ultras (lol I remember beating a lower gp player with just throws), and at a higher level, people who use other characters can and will know how to juggle ultras with their characters as well, or at least know how to set it up, so it's a level playing field.

Edit: I was typing my post when you guys posted the last two =). You can punish missed set ups, yes, the same applies to ryu's miss shoryu, yes?

Jun 29, 2009 -- 1:50AM, YFB47 wrote:

Yeah i feel you i just say its kinda unfair to the characters who cant do it at all. with gief and akuma if they catch you with there ultra's or supers they take some damage down on you but i like how people combo them in but just dislike that some can't.

lol, if akuma can combo link his ultra, I don't think Akuma players would never lose another round. =)

The ratios/percentages is what really makes characters like Ryu, Sagat, Rufus, etc. ridiculous.

Yes Balrog can juggle, Sakura can link her Ultra.

But what are the chances? Sakura can't get anyone with her EX shunpukyaku

Balrog can be punished if he misses the anti-air

Rufus can be punished if he goes for air HK

To pull of Chun-Li's combos you need to really get down and do them, if you miss some of the links you're in for some pain

Ryu/Sagat it's like, turtle all day and anti-air your ass

Jun 29, 2009 -- 4:26AM, Graphf wrote:

Jun 29, 2009 -- 4:11AM, Scarecrow wrote:

 

But what are the chances? Sakura can't get anyone with her EX shunpukyaku

Balrog can be punished if he misses the anti-air

Rufus can be punished if he goes for air HK

To pull of Chun-Li's combos you need to really get down and do them, if you miss some of the links you're in for some pain

Ryu/Sagat it's like, turtle all day and anti-air your ass

right dude, as if ryu/sagat players simply never ever whiff moves... or never can be punished.

fool.

Fool?

Ok missy, or whatever the hell you are, let's get something clear here just because you're conformtably safe in your basement behind the mighty internet wall doesn't mean you can be a jerk.

In fact, the community here will eat you alive if that's the attitude you're gonna bring here. You can turn your ass around and go right back to the SRK forums if that's where you came from.

Moving right along; when they spam your face off and recover from that to anti-air you if you even dare jump in on them after their projectile spam.

Shoryuken's and and Sagat's HK have almost no startup time and have very low recovery time, specially the shoryuken. It's understandable that non-projectile characters can anti-air into Supers/Ultras, but those like Ryu and Sagat should not have the percentages so high in their favor.