Jul 1, 2009 -- 4:21PM, curbs wrote:

Jul 1, 2009 -- 3:54PM, Scarecrow wrote:

Jul 1, 2009 -- 7:58AM, TongariDan (o'-')o wrote:

Uhh, Scarecrow.  You do know I mean you do it at the end of a combo, right?  Pretty much all her combos go into it and it connects off them.  There's no "I saw it coming and dodged it" if it's part of a combo, you know...

she takes too much damage

For a female character, she's the strongest at 950. No female character has HP higher than this.

Which is so lame. =(  Man-li needs more health.

@Adrian- There's a huge difference though, you have to be  at a certain distance to connect the ultra off her lightining leggs, or ex sbk, or that one combo that knocks them in the air. Then there's the fact that you might not get the full ultra and the timing being stricter as well as having it a charge ultra over a double quarter circle motion.

Jul 1, 2009 -- 6:49PM, PG > C wrote:

@Adrian- There's a huge difference though, you have to be  at a certain distance to connect the ultra off her lightining leggs, or ex sbk, or that one combo that knocks them in the air. Then there's the fact that you might not get the full ultra and the timing being stricter as well as having it a charge ultra over a double quarter circle motion.

lol, I said it could be done, never said it would be easy =). I don't think distance matters, at least not for the command combo, but yes, timing is very important, especially when you want to have to ultra finish with kicking them in the air for more damage. Oh but I think the the command combo into the ultra, you have finish with them being against the wall, otherwise, the second part of the ultra won't connect. All I am saying is that you dont have to limit yourself to countering opportunities when it comes to chun's ultra.

I do agree that it is more difficult, but I think she has a lot of other things to offer, her normals' short start up, her specials' short recovery. Her double hit on the jumping HP makes for good mix up. (Do I keep blocking high or do I block low? lol) which works well as a hit confirm to start a string of combos. Not to say that everyone should play like a pro, but when I watch Nemo's or Nuki's chun, I am just like, "wow there so much depth to her!" But yea, the learning curve is steep. I think the same applies to a lot of characters though. Like Ryu might be easier to pick up for beginners, but at a higher level of play, I think a lot of players hit a barrier where they  really can't advance much further, i.e. completely utilizing his ground game, and not using his jump ins, (I think best example of this would be some of the Daigo v Mago matches), or even John Choi. Like Chun, I believe Viper is one of the tougher characters to pick up (extremely low health too!).

What I think is that we can't challenge the balance of the game when we are just inspecting the beginners to mediocore players (not that you are either) but I think every characters has something different to offer at different levels of play.

Jul 1, 2009 -- 10:04PM, Adrian wrote:

I do agree that it is more difficult, but I think she has a lot of other things to offer, her normals' short start up, her specials' short recovery. Her double hit on the jumping HP makes for good mix up. (Do I keep blocking high or do I block low? lol) which works well as a hit confirm to start a string of combos. Not to say that everyone should play like a pro, but when I watch Nemo's or Nuki's chun, I am just like, "wow there so much depth to her!" But yea, the learning curve is steep. I think the same applies to a lot of characters though. Like Ryu might be easier to pick up for beginners, but at a higher level of play, I think a lot of players hit a barrier where they  really can't advance much further, i.e. completely utilizing his ground game, and not using his jump ins, (I think best example of this would be some of the Daigo v Mago matches), or even John Choi. Like Chun, I believe Viper is one of the tougher characters to pick up (extremely low health too!).

What I think is that we can't challenge the balance of the game when we are just inspecting the beginners to mediocore players (not that you are either) but I think every characters has something different to offer at different levels of play.

You see, the problem then comes to the fact that most characters, especially Shotos, have more than enough tools to defeat Chun. Yeah she has many combos but they get beat out by most normals and special movies, especially her target combo, good players know it's coming and either use moves that can beat it out of the air or AA her out of it Both Nemo and Nuki are great Chun players, but have you seen them win a tournament with Chun Li? Also, how often do they actually use target combos and any of her other moves compared to the usual zoning with fireballs, 3x LK -> ex legs, or just counter ex srk? Most of her moves aren't as safe, can be beaten, or less rewarding. Not only that she's very punishable and can't take damage worth squat.

The fact still remains, it'll get beaten out by most other movies if you attempt the target combo. Nemo qualified yes, but again has Nemo won a tournament with her? Justin used Rufus throughout the Gamestop Tournament and won with him. Wong did use Chun early on but he has since left her behind for Rufus and his other main characters.

Honestly, I don't think Chun sucks or anything, I just don't think she's as great as you make her out to be. I do enjoy playing with her but it's by no means as easy getting a win as I felt you were saying.