I feel the same as blanka...

Yes, Ex ball will go through your fireball, every time...

Yes, I can slide under your fireballs...

I am always thinking "Cmon, you know you wanna throw that fireball..."

Jul 1, 2009 -- 10:56PM, PG > C wrote:

Uh...ya know, Akuma can teleport which doesn't even cost him an ultra meter and he can go through fireballs. =/

Also, considering how much of advantage most shotos have over Chun it's not that bad.

I agree with you completely. This thread is a thank-you for scrub shotos specifically. Because the scrubs make it so easy to win with Chun. Playing a legit shoto (with the brains not to throw projectiles from mid-screen) with Chun is still a fun challenge.

spam + fireball = good job!

Jul 2, 2009 -- 9:38AM, Kornstew wrote:

Next street fighter 4 update. * hadoukens graphic will change to a large firey can of spam! *

That's what the PC version is for. Mod away.

Jul 1, 2009 -- 2:57PM, Zombiebrian wrote:

ouch someones been hit one to many times by that ultra.

Having an ultra loaded changes the game and to be honest projectile charchters going for a hadow chees win deserve all they get....

ultras are part of the games deal with it!

actually I play dictator/bison as my main so I don't mess with projectiles unless I'm using shoto's or guile but there is nothing wrong with projectiles. basically you just don't understand the concept of  projectile zoning.  zoning via projectiles is not hard to get around. you just have to understand distance and recovery time.

also each projectile does only minimal damage as compared to an ultra. look at akuma's air fireballs. honestly no matter who I use I NEVER have a problem with projectile characters.

ultras on the other hand are quite literally for noobs and people who don't understand the other technical aspects of the game. after all, it is defended on this forum so rigorously that the ultra was made for newbies that don't know anything to have at least a fighting chance. but then at the higher levels when the skills are equal it is just simply rewarding the loser.

every time you land an ultra on a projectile character and you were on the cusp of losing, just know that quite literally without ultra, you were trash that round.

how about just learn about zoning?

Jul 1, 2009 -- 3:02PM, Zombiebrian wrote:

plus if defence has nothing to do with fighting why wasnt ww2 fought by kamikasi's on both side?

plus are you SF3 was Good but..... or whatever the guys name was in disguise?

Jul 1, 2009 -- 9:22PM, Ryoga wrote:

Jul 1, 2009 -- 2:45PM, Exogen wrote:

lol this is the exact kind of nonsense that SF4 makes possible.

in other words. the person who had been winning (taking the least if no damage at all) because of one slip up (usually being the one to actually attack and not be a stupid turtle) is punished not simply by receiving the equivalent of a normal size combo but 50% or more damage enabling you to either come back and win off that move or be even to with both of  you having low health and the person who WAS winning now being floored.

GREAT JOB capcom in giving the loser of the fight a TOTAL come back move.

but oh let me guess, IF YOU SURVIVE THE ULTRA, NOW....you have an ultra too RIGHT! that is what you were going to say or what some of you have said? but guess what. WHO CARES,....BECAUSE...both of you are so low that playing a safe game of normals or a special moves is more optimal. hell most of the time in these situations a grab will kill you. and like I said, the person floored who was previously the person on top of the fight, is now at a disadvantage.

in case your wondering why I dispise defense in general as being to dominant in a game and things like rewarding the loser as bad game design the answer is

defense against defense = stalemate

To quote Heavy Weapons Guy from Team Fortress II:

HA HA HA HA!!! Cry some more!!!

I guess you like games that are self contradictory and have poor game design then? that's cool. nice argument btw, very poetic and logical.