Jul 4, 2009 -- 3:50AM, Andy wrote:

Ultras force people who are winning to play smart. I think the revenge meter is a great way of keeping players on their feet. It creates a whole host of new situations that make matches exciting and calculating. 

play "smart"? by that you mean cautious. another word for that is playing safe, meaning not using allot of high risk moves and tactics.

but why would the excitement and calculative aspect of the game be diminished without ultras?

what your saying is that this high payoff comeback feature makes the game more mentally interesting. why? it makes it more turtlish which means LESS. if I know that my options are limited by the probability that one mistake will cost me the match I am going to play total runaway, turtle or what ever. in other words I am going to play defense.

but that's not the real issue here. your talking about the idea of a comeback feature adding strategy via safe play at the end of the match, where as I am talking about HOW that comeback feature should be gained and HOW MUCH of a comeback you should have.

the idea of FA absorbtion charging ultras ONLY is good because it intigrates the FA's and ultras and most importently there is risk in gaining the ultra but a reward if you do, unlike the current system.

I just got my way up to 1000+ battle points owning all the Ryu and Ken scrubs using Vega :p

I found a nice trick, select Vega as quickly as possible, and the usual shoto scrub will think 'LOL Vega, how easy, go go go Ryu / Ken', and then I just rofflestomp them by backfplipping out of everysingle fireball and shoryken attack, including both of their super and ultra combos :p

Vega is the bane of shoto characters once you learn how to use him, but now my thumbs feel like they are bleeding after getting up to 1000 points :(

I hope I get to fight more Ryu / Ken players. Backflip to safety and attack with flying barcelona / rolling crystal flash to wear them down. Immediately after each attack spam backflip. If they choose to follow you, punish them with Scarlet Terror. If they stay away and shoot fireballs, Backflip through them and follow up with Flying Barcelona Special or EX Sky High Claw if your power bar is full enough.

Timing everything perfectly though will kill your hands and needs epic vega skillz. I need to learn how to fight with him close up as well, right now I just use the really cheesy closing in with Rolling Crystal Flash, followed up by crouching Fierce punch and Fierce Slide, rinse and repeat. When Blocked, cancel Crystal Flash into a Focus attack, follow up with slide. It is super crazy when people get trapped by it, if they manage to escape it, go go backflip and Flying Scarlet when they follow you lulz.

I have difficulty against E. Honda an Blanka though, those matches just turn into a charge attack spam fest. E. Honda in particular can trump every one of Vegas attacks with his, With blanka it is a case of trying to outsmart the player by mixing attacks so he doesnt know what to expect.

Vegas Ultra also has a high tendancy to fail because the opponent often falls outside of its wall jump arc, and the super combo is really hard to pull of because after the input you need to fly into touch range of the opponent to pull it off :(. Instead, I use my meter up on EX Sky High Claws that fly straight yhrough everything. All of his attacks followed up by backflip are much too fast for opponents to react to them with more then a block, and if they do try to counter you, they fall prey to Scarlet Terror. But pulling it off faster then they can reach you, and timing it to hit is difficult.

Also, I dont know how to beat Zangief and Akuma. Good players with those two beat me easilly, Zangief now just steps through everything with that green hand move, and closes in far too easilly. My backflips get me to the wall too fast :(. If I stop to attack in close range, I fail.

Jul 4, 2009 -- 4:15PM, Shortcut 2 SSF wrote:

I just got my way up to 1000+ battle points owning all the Ryu and Ken scrubs using Vega :p

I found a nice trick, select Vega as quickly as possible, and the usual shoto scrub will think 'LOL Vega, how easy, go go go Ryu / Ken', and then I just rofflestomp them by backfplipping out of everysingle fireball and shoryken attack, including both of their super and ultra combos :p

Vega is the bane of shoto characters once you learn how to use him, but now my thumbs feel like they are bleeding after getting up to 1000 points :(

Dude forreal 1000+ tho....... I mean i aint knocking on you or nufin but what i am saying is try that with people who know how to fight him and play the game rite. Yes he is hard to play but in G1 i bet a shoto character will show you up.

 

Dude forreal 1000+ tho....... I mean i aint knocking on you or nufin but what i am saying is try that with people who know how to fight him and play the game rite. Yes he is hard to play but in G1 i bet a shoto character will show you up.

I've only been playing for three days. If I do ever manage to make it to G1, I will also be a lot better by then.

Shoto characters fail against vega, a good vega character will easilly trump an equally skilled Ryu or Ken player. The only one that is a problem is Akuma, particularly with his Ultra move being inescapable.

Jul 5, 2009 -- 3:08AM, Andy wrote:

Jul 5, 2009 -- 2:22AM, Shortcut 2 SSF wrote:

Dude forreal 1000+ tho....... I mean i aint knocking on you or nufin but what i am saying is try that with people who know how to fight him and play the game rite. Yes he is hard to play but in G1 i bet a shoto character will show you up.

 

I've only been playing for three days. If I do ever manage to make it to G1, I will also be a lot better by then.

 

Shoto characters fail against vega, a good vega character will easilly trump an equally skilled Ryu or Ken player. The only one that is a problem is Akuma, particularly with his Ultra move being inescapable.

Try jumping.

Thanks, I'll try that. Backflip doesnt work against Chun Li or Akuma's Ultras, against chun you need to block, so I suppose I have to jump against Akuma.

I can dodge the fireballs, but get hit by about 10-20% of the time due to a mistimed backflip.

I lost a couple of matches today VS a Blanka and a Speed C.Viper player who I couldnt get away from or stop at all and my rank fell to 800ish, then I won a few back up to 1000+. I need to spend more time in Training vs C.Viper, Blanka, Chun Li and Zangief. I can beat Akuma players more often then I lose to them now, they are just the same as Ryu / Ken, but a little harder.

I hate when other people havnt set their framerate to fixed, I can definately notice that problem now lol. If I have heavy slowdown in a game now I just Alt - F4. Cant play Vega at all when your game is lagging because the opponent sees everything coming.

I have a problem now that whenever I play another character, I keep on trying to backflip when in danger lol. Vega has been my favorite character since SSF2, followed by Cammy and Bison, I dont like playing any of the shoto characters.

Oh yea, and Sagat and E.Honda are really tough to beat as well. Sagat is like Ryu / Ken taking whatever pills Vega is on lol.